PS046 - Body Modification Sacred and Profane

Jul 22

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Passion And Soul Podcast 046 - Body Modification Sacred and Profane

Whether you have had your ears pierced, cut your hair, or had a facial tattoo, we have all modified our bodies in some way (or had them modified for us). In this week’s podcast, Lee Harrington takes us on a journey through intent, culture, choice and spirit as we look into why we do body modification and the power behind it. From body piercings to hair styles, genital modifications to branding, breast implants to goth makeup, let’s examine how we approach these issues as sacred acts and markings as well as that which we do for the most profane of reasons.

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Lee:
Hello, fellow adventurers of sexuality and spirit, and welcome to The Passion And Soul Podcast with Lee Harrington.

I come to you today from my beautiful creativity and office space up here in Anchorage, Alaska, where we are still enjoying the midnight sun, and my garden is still growing like crazy.

I have been really honored and delighted to be up here and really enjoying the community I'm in, and my delightful partner and time in that garden that I have, and curling up with my two big fluffy dogs, because yeah, I did recently get to go to the Dark Odyssey event, Dark Odyssey Fusion out in Maryland and Free Spirit Gathering and spend time recharging my soul out in that beautiful space, Ramblewood, that I have loved so dearly for so long.

But I'm also glad to come home.

You've heard me talk about that dance between out and in, between public and private, and right now at home is pretty darn excellent.

But for people who didn't catch it, Dark Odyssey was a hoot, a blast.

Fusion was amazing.

I got to run the Ordeal of Love, the return to the Ordeal of Love.

It was the second year that I ran it, where the challenge seems simple enough that people are invited to come in, and if they are so moved, pick up a mirror that is inscribed with many different words of love from many different languages to pick it up, to look in it, to say things to themselves and about themselves of what they love.

Not what they don't love, what they love.

And then the people who are bearing witness say those exact words back to them.

Because hearing into your ears versus speaking out of your mouth, you sometimes experience that knowledge differently.

It seems like a simple enough thing, but it can be terrifying for some people, for a lot of us, to speak the things that we love about ourselves.

And it was pretty inspiring.

I got to teach classes and lead a hike around that property, and I also got to produce and run the Dirty Pig Contest.

That was a hilarious experience with judges getting blowjobs underneath the judges' table, with audience members getting peed on, with people in the back row winning prizes and having to come up and figure out alternative options of what you can do with a flogger.

And it was a really good time.

But I'm also glad to be home.

And for people who are here in Alaska, there is a class that I'm going to be doing coming up at the Agora, which is the Anchorage pagan community space.

And I'm going to be doing a class there as part of my Sacred Sexuality series called Flushing It Out, Body Modifications, Both Sacred And Profane.

I mentioned this not only because it's what I'm going to be teaching up here on July 29th, but because I posted that I was going to be teaching it, and I had a number of people write me and be like, oh, why are you not teaching this right now in Wisconsin?

Oh, why are you not teaching this in New Jersey?

I wish I could make it, but Alaska is a bit of a trip to get to, to go to one class, and I respect that.

So today's podcast is going to be about the topic of body modification.

Body modification sacred, body modification profane, and all the layers in between.

I have a lot of body mods.

I, last I counted, I think I have 34 tattoos.

Mind you, some of them are small.

One is literally two tiny dots on my hand.

That is, for people who have ever put those little circles or dots on the inside of their knuckle for their pointer finger, and made their lip out of the thumb going up and down.

Yeah, it's two dots because that way I always have someone to talk to, and I always have a way to make myself laugh.

And some of them are really complex pieces.

I've got giant dragon slash spirit creatures on the back of both of my calves that fill up the back of each calf with a lot of decorative detail and a lot of detail in general.

And those two pieces were done by Captain Gordon, who's an amazing sexuality educator and a part of Sacred Mark's Sanctuary that out at Fusion, he and his crew were the ones that produced everything down at the fire, all of the beautiful rituals, ran the hook suspensions, some really beautiful stuff.

But not only do I have tattoos and scarifications and brandings, but I've also done body modifications for gender reasons as well.

And so I want to talk about all of that stuff that body mods have a really wide spectrum, a really wide spectrum of what they can be.

Because there are some people go, oh, body mods, that means piercing.

But body modification can also be liposuction, can also be going to the gym and working out until you have muscles on top of muscles, can be breast implants.

And it's really about the perspective of where you're coming from as to what body modification is normal and what body modification is considered outside the cultural norm.

That if I'm in, if I'm a tribal woman up in Northern Thailand, I might have rings that are slowly stretching my neck over the course of my entire lifetime, because that's a thing that makes me beautiful.

It is something that shows that I have a cultural and tribal affiliation.

It shows that I am part of whatever that is.

And it's amazing to me that that happens all the time, that we do body modifications for sacred and spiritual reasons.

We do them to show our political affiliations.

Because I have people who are like, how does that work?

Well, you show your political affiliation by what color you're wearing to the rally.

You show it by carrying tattoos on your body of the statement of who you believe in and what you believe in.

For some people, body modifications are just about fashion, because a body modification could be a haircut.

Yeah, it's in a lot of ways a temporary body modification.

But it says something about who you are in that moment, even if you're doing it just because it's pretty and it's the trend.

Body modification might be done as a way to remember things, memorials and times that have happened.

I've got a friend of mine that has on his forearm the Twin Towers because he lost someone that day.

And those can be truly touching things to hold on to, that they are those pieces that we cherish, that we don't need to forget or let go of.

And I've had people say, well, does that, that's not sacred or profane.

Well, if we think of sacred as that which deserves reverence, then it opens up to a broader concept.

For some people, sacred means that which is holy within a religious context, in which case maybe those Twin Towers aren't sacred.

But if sacred is that which deserves respect and reverence, then it opens us up to a bigger conversation.

Now, there are some body mods that happen in our culture that can be seen quickly and easily as sacred as compared to profane.

And an example of that might be circumcision in young boys, in baby boys, that within Jewish traditional culture, it was a way to be able to mark that which is of our tribe.

But there's a lot of little boys around the world who are having their genitals dramatically modified for other reasons that are medical, that are cultural, or that are unconscious and not thought through by their parents or the system that they're part of.

So for young Jewish baby males, baby boys, it is appropriate within that cultural context for such a body modification to take place.

Same as it might be for certain African tribes to scar the face of those babies within their tribe to be able to mark them as this is one of ours.

This child will be raised within our tribe and cherished because they are one of ours.

Does it make it okay as far as child rights advocacy goes?

That is for your own conversation and heart to have.

But I think it's worth considering that the same exact thing can be sacred for some and profane for another.

That I know people who do body modification because it's a way to be able to transform the flesh into the next chapter of a life.

People I know who cut up their bodies as part of self-injurious behaviors, as part of a way to outlet the pain because the suffering hurt too much, as a way to transform that pain into something tolerable, that if you're able to have pain on your body instead of pain in your heart, you can watch it heal.

And then I've seen those same people transform that flesh yet again into brandings or into tattoos as a way to reclaim that flesh, to have a new meaning for it, a new story.

And they're all layers of body modification.

For some people, body modification can be completely temporary as a form of fantasy or fetish.

Putting on dramatic makeup that says, I am going to tonight be the dominatrix, and this is who I am by putting on deep, dark eyeshadow and long eyelashes.

I will change my body through corsets and thigh-high stiletto rubber-heeled boots.

Rubber boots, not rubber heels, I should say.

That you can transform the body temporarily as a form of fantasy.

And I know people, for example, who would put on a painting of a tiger face, of a tiger's mask, to be able to become feline for the evening.

And then there are other people like Katzen, for example, who I'll post a link to, and a few other folks who have transformed their body to look, look far more like the tiger or tigress they experience themselves to be or who they empathize with.

Having implants inside their face or piercings inside their face to have monofilament wire coming out for whiskers, who might file their teeth down to have fangs, who might have implants inside their cheek to create more of a feline shape, that this moves from fantasy into identity, into life experience, into something that is shown in their every moment to be whom they experience themselves to be inside.

And I know people who say, oh, well, that's just some crazy stuff, right?

Like people who tattoo themselves up and down to be covered in puzzle pieces, like the enigma, or who have split their tongue and had horn subdermal implants to look like the lizard man.

These people are just crazy.

And yet those same folks go, oh, well, some collagen injections, some collagen injections, that's normal, right?

That little bit of that tummy tuck and having those, going from a size B to a size double D cup, that's just what you do.

But there are other people in other tribes that might go, wow, those boobs don't have gravity.

Those breasts are too round and look strange.

But my finger tattoos, that's normal.

That having markings on my face as a way to show warrior pride in Maori culture, that's just what you do to show that marking, to show that pride, to show that you are not just joining a tribe, but showing fully that that is what I am doing.

Now, with the case of those tattoos, it's interesting to me that it's not just about the tattoos themselves, but it's about the process.

Those tattoos are done by hand with a specific type of needle and hammer to be able to have those markings appear, and that each tattoo is designed slightly differently.

And so what's happening is the gentleman who is laying there and receiving the tattoo is expected not to move.

That is part of the warrior right therein as well, that manhood right, that you are able to take that pain as a part of self-marking, tribal marking and transformation into the next chapter of your life.

Now, any of these forms of body modification, whether it's part of remembering an oath, so people who have perhaps a tattoo of a wedding ring, whether it is for the pain itself, whether people who feel pleasure from the modification and are choosing to get those breast implants done because they find it sexy, whether you're doing a body modification as a way to face your fear or avoid a fear, whether you are doing a quote simple form of body modification of getting dressed in that day to say that this is a high holy day, to transform for priests, Catholic priests, who on specific days, instead of wearing the all blacks with the white collar, will don formal vestments to show that we are at a different point.

Whatever the reason you are doing a body modification or whatever the body modification is, there's still an opportunity to prepare for that body modification, some of which that preparation can be sacred or holy, or can be considered profane.

One example is fasting.

I have a brand on the outside of each of my legs, just above my ankles, that I had done Burning Man, I want to say it was in 99 or 2000.

It was 2000.

And before that, I had promised myself that I wouldn't have a brand unless my master did it for me, because I was really identified in a slave context at that point.

And I had a picture in my head that I would have my marking by a master who claimed me that I would have it done as a brand.

About a year, year and a half earlier, I had moved to England to be with my master and found out over the course of being in the course of being in England to be with him that he and I actually weren't seeing each other anymore.

I found that out through random circumstances, and that's its own story.

But I really sat with the idea of how would I reclaim my body after he had claimed me?

How would I do this?

And I found out that my group I was camping with, the Temple of Atonement, which used to run a huge dungeon space out at Burning Man, that Fakir Musafar and Claire Dubois and their service person Sam were all going to be coming out, the three of them were going to be doing brandings of the Burning Man logo, hosting it at the Temple of Atonement.

And this just shook me.

It shook me hard.

Because I had this moment where it's like, oh my god, I've won a branding.

And then I went, oh, but he's not giving me a branding.

And it became this emotional cycle.

And I decided that I was going to do a branding.

But the next day, they were going to be doing a second branding ritual for people who wanted to do something private, and it was going to be an all-women's ritual.

And so I decided to do both.

I decided to do both.

And for the first one, I dressed in all blacks and dark and fetish wear, and I fasted for the day ahead of time, and I prayed, and I prepared, and I got there, and this was just a huge group of people.

I think there were like 50 of us who got branded that day.

It was just a construction line.

It was crazy.

And it was strike, strike, strike.

And it was done.

The branding was done.

The next day, I decided to do opposite, that it was going to be in private.

It was going to be surrounded by women, including Fakir, who was in a beautiful feminine space that day.

And I was going to dress in casual, flowing Burning Man, but casual, flowing outfits, and it was going to be during the daytime.

The other one was at midnight.

This one's just afternoon.

And I ate ahead of time a sensual meal, and I got ready for it.

And I was sitting in the temple when there was a knock at the outside of the temple gates.

And a friend of mine went and opened it, and he said, you know, at the time, Bridget, Hey, Bridget, this is for you.

And I said, OK.

And I went outside and it was my former master.

And I said, Hey.

And he said, Hey.

And I'm like, What are you doing at Burning Man?

And he said, Well, I'm here because I helped build a jazz cafe shaped like a rubber duck.

And I said, Of course you are, because that's something that would happen at Burning Man.

And we talked.

We talked about how it hadn't ended gracefully.

We talked about the pain, but mostly he just apologized.

We actually didn't talk that much, though it felt like it to my spirit, because he shared, and he shared how he'd messed up, and he shared his realizations.

And I said thanks, and I closed the door behind me, and a friend of mine who I told proceeded to want to kill him, but luckily he didn't.

I told him no.

No, that was good.

That was exactly what I needed.

And I thanked the universe, and I went into that space, ready to receive my second brand, because it wasn't about him at all anymore.

It was about me.

It was about my steps forward.

And so that same exact piece for me was about fasting, and was about that chanting and praying and whatnot ahead of time, but it was also an opportunity in between to transform myself.

For some people, they prepare for their body modifications by getting drunk, right?

How many vets have tattoos that are spotily done, probably with a needle that they can't identify whether it was clean or not, that they had because they don't remember the evening?

For some people, they prepare for a body modification through crying, through holding hands with a friend, through psyching themselves up, through spending some time alone, through laughing about the whole thing, through contemplating it.

And for some people, it's going into a tattoo shop, looking at all the flashy art, and choosing one that looks fun.

I remember my very first tattoo, that I was sitting in the chair getting my tramp stamp done.

I've got a piece in the center of my lower back that right at that center spot for people who don't know tramp stamp, it's that little small of the back tattoo that a lot of girls have.

And mine is a triple intersecting, swirly thing for the goddess, and a big triangle for queer at the time, Dyke Pride, with Celtic knot work around the outside, and ivy growing up and down, and it had so much meaning to me, right?

That it was for the goddess, it was about sexual identity, it was about my father's side, the family and Celtic heritage, and me being interlaced to all of my reality, and the ivy growing up and down as a sign of rebirth and regrowth after trauma.

And I was so packed with this, like I'd drawn it myself, and I carried it around for a year, and went, yeah.

I mean, it might even be two years.

And I went, yeah, this is what I'm gonna do.

And this woman wanders in and said, so I don't know what I want, but I want a tattoo.

And I wind on my ankle, and the tattoo artist says, hey, look at the book.

It's over there.

Because we were in an open space tattoo studio in Laughing Buddha in Seattle.

And this woman flops through it, so she's like, oh, I want this Winnie the Pooh.

And we're like, oh, that's kind of cool.

And as she's waiting for my tattoo artist, who's the only one in the shop, we end up talking about why are you doing this?

What is your consideration?

What is the point of this?

Does Winnie the Pooh have a lot of personal meaning to you?

She's like, no, not really.

I just think it's kind of cool and I want a tattoo.

And teasing it out, we find out that she's a trial lawyer who has to wear skirts, oftentimes because she tends to wear skirts, tended to wear skirts more than she wore suit pants.

So your trial lawyer who doesn't have a deep emotional affiliation with Winnie the Pooh, but is thinking about getting one and it's going to show all the time at work.

She's like, yeah, maybe it's not the best idea.

And so we talked to her and we couldn't talk her out of getting an ankle tattoo.

I mean, the tattoo artist obviously had a choice and my tattoo artist for my neck, he really had to debate whether he was okay putting bear paws on my neck because neck tattoos are change your life.

And this was going to change this woman's life because she was no longer going to be a clear canvas that she was going to have a tattoo on her body that was going to be seen by culture at large to mean something.

That when somebody else sees your body modification, that thing that changes your blank canvas into something else, they will fill in with the story of their life, the story of their experience.

And if their experience of giant ear piercings, big gauges in your ears, is that that's what drug dealers do, then they're going to fill in with the story of your drug dealer.

If somebody sees your breast augmentations and goes, oh, that's what hookers do, they're going to fill in with the story of a hooker.

That also includes with the positive, the quote positive things.

That if somebody is in goth culture, gothic culture, and sees someone else walk in, in black finery with light white makeup and beautiful black lips, long black hair with a blood red streak, they might go, oh, I have a story of you.

You are one of my kind.

I know how to interact with you.

For some people, it's about a right of initiation or right of passage.

And so if that's the case, and we're talking about tribal affiliation, it's not just about that circumcision, it's also later in life, people I know who are blue star wicca, who have oftentimes somewhere on their body, somewhere obvious, sometimes big one on their arm.

For other people, somewhere privately hidden, that you'd only see if they took off their underwear, because it's theirs and it's their story.

But have a seven-pointed star, usually in blue ink, hidden somewhere on their body, because it's a right of passage, it's a marking that says, I am an initiate of this path.

I am a true follower of this path at this time, where I am called into this work.

I knew a guy who, because people were like, oh, that's Pagan's, Pagan's getting big Pagan tattoos.

And there was a guy who got these beautiful Jesus tattoos all over his arms and had a total punk rock experience, and was very grr and big, and he'd go to punk and metal concerts, and people would engage him about his tattoos, and he'd talk about God, and he'd talk about his faith.

And that thing that looked so profane was actually a holy act to him.

Was his calling as a minister to go out and speak the word of Christ through sharing the stories of his ink, sharing the stories of his body modifications.

Now, body modifications can also be part of energetic modifications.

Mentioned before, the blue star, for example, might be part of marking your astral body or energetic form.

And for people who that's not part of their journey, you can also think a bit of how does it change your attitude?

How does it change how you carry yourself internally or externally?

I know people who...

I remember talking to somebody, actually, who is a tattoo and piercing and whatnot artist, mostly piercing and branding.

And he had someone who came into his tattoo shop, the shop that he was helping run, his piercing shop, excuse me, who was a woman who had been sexually violated when she was young.

And she wanted to go and have her genitals pierced as a way to reclaim her body.

And she made the choice when the artist said, why me?

Why now?

She said, because I've done therapy for a long time, because I've contemplated it for a long time, and I want you to do it because you're really well known, really good at it, but also because you're male.

And I don't want myself to always associate men between my legs with suffering.

I want it to be about my personal choices, too.

And so they closed down the shop because he decided that it was the right thing to do, that if you're going to do this and it's a big thing, let's give space for this work.

Let's give space for this working.

And they worked together and did this piercing.

And made it a sacred experience, even if that word wasn't used.

They made it a sacred experience, and at the end she said, I've been doing therapy for most of my life, and it's not the same as what this moment was.

This was different.

And in that moment she transformed her energetic being.

She had a transformation of soul, of essence.

She was able to move into a different chapter of her life because she did that shift in attitude and shift in being.

Now, does this mean that every single person who's ever experienced any sort of trauma should go and have a body modification?

No.

This is about personal choice.

This is about figuring out why you want something done.

If the answer is because everybody else is doing it, consider how long term it is.

And if the answer is I'm going to put on these hammer pants because it's the 90s, you know what?

That's temporary.

But the photos will live forever.

Because as we look back, flashback Fridays on Facebook, we see that the hairstyles last forever in either memory or in photographs.

So it's something to really keep in mind is how long will this last?

Why am I doing this?

How will it affect my life?

What is it going to mean to other people?

How much is it going to cost?

And I'm not just talking about the money, but the time, the religious effects to it.

I have a friend of mine who is a Jew who doesn't feel within his experience of Judaism that he is supposed to have any tattoos.

And so he has chosen to have subdermal implants and scarifications for his body modifications so that he's able to incorporate artwork and transformation into his body that he wants without it affecting his religious structures.

And with cost, don't be surprised if that cost might be $50 an hour for a tattoo, in which case I'm kind of questioning what their skill set is, or $300 an hour for a tattoo.

And that first part, maybe it's a friend.

I can respect that.

For some people who are doing ritual tattooing, who are shutting down their shop and creating a space where you can set up an altar and spending days ahead of time or even months constructing the purpose behind it and channeling that energy down, if that's what your relationship is to your artist, maybe it's not just their money and the cost they're in, but how else are you going to thank them?

What else is the fair energetic exchange of this?

Now, who's going to be doing it?

Does it matter to you whether you maybe tattoo yourself?

Whether a ritualist does it for you, or if you're putting a cross on your body, whether it's somebody else who is a deep devotee of Yahweh or Jesus.

In that case, more Jesus, I suppose.

Now, is it important to you?

Just think about who's going to do it.

Is it going to be homegrown?

Is it going to be somebody who's certified in this work?

How long have they been doing it?

Think about when the right time is to do it.

I have a tattoo on my thigh that is of the Dark Odyssey logo combined with the compass from Palimpsest, which is a book from Catherynne Valente that has profound meaning in my life.

And I had it done on my 10-year anniversary of attending leather retreat, which later became Dark Odyssey Leather Retreat, which later became Dark Odyssey Fusion.

Because I'm so ingrained into that, and the decade point was important to me.

That, yeah, I could have done it at the next event, I could have done it somewhere else, but it was important to me that not only it happened then, but it happened there, at that land I'd been going to for a decade.

That it mattered to me that it happened by this artist who I respected, again, Captain Gordon, that I do this work out surrounded by my tribe.

For other people, it doesn't matter.

In fact, for myself, it doesn't matter sometimes.

I got moved that I needed to get this one tattoo done when I was in Seattle, and I needed to do it right away because I had this thought that was burning in me and I couldn't shake it, and it's one of the few times I've had a really short turnaround time on a tattoo.

Like it was literally, I am getting this done this week.

And I put a call out, what tattoo artists do people trust in Seattle?

And I went to the folks at Deep Roots, and I was really impressed by their work, and I took the idea to him and said, hey, here you go.

All I knew was he was a good artist.

That's all that mattered to me in that moment.

So there's different things that matter to different people.

Consider what your support network is and whether other people have done this before.

What recovery time do you need?

And what happens if it goes wrong?

Now, and I'm not just talking about Pearson getting affected, though that's a piece of it too.

What happens if you emotionally don't process it well?

What if you get it finished and go, oh, this isn't what I wanted?

Now, do we hope that that doesn't happen?

Absolutely.

But I've also had people who, let's say an ear piercing was a reminder to listen to divinity or listen to their own intuition.

If that piercing gets infected, is that a story that you just need to clear it out more often and that you weren't doing your irrigation in a way that is healthy?

Or that you were sleeping on dirty pillow cases or your hair gets in it?

Is that the story or is it the experience that it means that I'm not listening and that maybe I'm not ready for this in my life and maybe I need to work on it more?

And so it's something to consider of what do these things mean if they don't go right?

I also know people who say, oh, well, I'm going to get this body modification that is, for example, a quote, temporary branding done with a violet wand, which is a static electricity generator that's sometimes used by perverts and fetishists and kinksters to cause a static electricity sensation on the body So, I'm going to start with the body, either tickly or all the way up to intense and even painful, outright painful.

For some people, they just don't like it because of the sound.

Other people love it.

And I know people who will combine that with, say, a dental pick and do dot, dot, dot on the skin or draw lines by not scraping, but just drawing with that metal tip, because the metal takes all of that electricity and puts it down to that point.

Now, the challenge with any temporary mod is that it could be permanent.

And people are like, oh, well, that's not likely.

Well, you know what?

I would still plan for it being a possibility.

Personally, I would never do a temporary brand on my face unless I was ready for the possibility that that temporary brand could become permanent.

Because I know people go, oh, well, I'm doing a play piercing scene.

Well, those little holes could have the possibility of leaving a scar, even if it's little.

Because, you know, those little pinpoints might not be visible when you're really pale and white.

But when later on you decide to get a tan, those little dots might show up, because any time you open up your body, there's a chance of leaving a scar.

So that's something to consider is that temporary body mod of getting Mickey Mouse drawn on you.

Is that something you're okay to live with if things happen?

If that melatonin in your skin decides that, nope, really, this is sticking around?

Or if, as it's healing, that scab accidentally gets picked off or you forget about it and you scrape, that could happen.

So I think about that.

And I would encourage you to.

It doesn't really matter whether it is makeup or head shaving.

It doesn't really matter whether it is donning specific wardrobe or corset training, whether you're wearing specific jewelry or whether you are leaving behind rope marks.

It doesn't matter whether you are filing down your fangs or growing out dreadlocks, whether you are doing inkless tattoos or saline infusion.

It doesn't matter whether you are taking hormone replacement therapy or doing foot binding, whether you are doing liposuction or a vasectomy, whether you are having general reconstruction surgery or having, you know, huge ear piercings, right?

They are all body mods.

And what really boils down at the end of the day is that what transforms something into sacred is your intent.

A wedding ring can go on and just be a sign that you are not really thinking about it, it's just kind of what you do, or it can become a profound ritual, taking it off every day and every morning putting it back on and committing to that relationship.

A tattoo can be a fun thing that you and your mom have that are both matching and isn't this cool, or it can be, look at this amazing thing that my mom and I both have, and a way for us to be bonded together forever, even if one of us is gone sometime in the future, they're both still here.

That dressing up in a nun's habit could be a commitment to be a bride of Christ, or it could be something hot you donned to get fucked in.

Sacred and Profane is about flushing out what it means to you, not just flushing it out on your flesh.

To learn more and see some of the images that I was talking about today on this podcast, I invite you to go over to the Podcast Notes, which you can visit by going to passionandsoul.com and hitting on the audio button.

Scroll down to this episode and see all of the information there.

You can subscribe.

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And on that RSS feed, we also have all of these links for you to enjoy.

Right after I close out, I'd like to leave you with a little message from the folks at NCSF.

So I invite you to stay around for after I've wrapped up, because the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom is incredibly important.

And I'm a big believer in supporting them, and I think you should be too.

And for now, and until next time, this has been Passion And Soul Podcast.

So stay cool, have fun, be authentically you, and embrace your dreams.

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Jason:

Jason here with the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom.

Do you or your home group support the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom?

If not, it's about time to.

Check out the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom at ncsfreedom.org.

Helping is what we do and why NCSF is working for you.
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